posted February 21, 2003 12:24 PM               

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Originally posted by DStepp:
At the risk of stating the obvious, "on with the debate" means the debates we hold among ourselves. Bob has stated he derives both insight and gratification from the debates about the relative merits of X vs Y, the "true" starting point for "age" or "eras" of a character, and the historical merits of some collection of material vs. another. It is certainly NOT an invitation for anyone to debate Bob on DC policies, since it is unprofessional for Bob to discuss them. Expecting him to "debate" you demonstrates not only your ignorance, but your immaturity. One should ever be reminded that while the First Amendment protects your right to make an ass out of yourself, it was designed to protect our rights to ridicule you for it.

In the most patriotic of senses, please **** off.

D.

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Obsessive, aren't they?

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posted February 21, 2003 02:19 PM               

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Originally posted by DStepp:
At the risk of stating the obvious, "on with the debate" means the debates we hold among ourselves. Bob has stated he derives both insight and gratification from the debates about the relative merits of X vs Y, the "true" starting point for "age" or "eras" of a character, and the historical merits of some collection of material vs. another. It is certainly NOT an invitation for anyone to debate Bob on DC policies, since it is unprofessional for Bob to discuss them. Expecting him to "debate" you demonstrates not only your ignorance, but your immaturity. One should ever be reminded that while the First Amendment protects your right to make an ass out of yourself, it was designed to protect our rights to ridicule you for it.

In the most patriotic of senses, please **** off.

D.

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To say my debating is ignorance, i think its you whos ignorant. Ill tell you why. (Above all else, ill precede what i say with letting you know my "debate" resulted in bob shifting his stance somewhat, not brushing me off and asking me not to mention it again)

It's called fan input. Heres a real example; dc hired a certain writer for a certain title (i wont name them) b/c obviously they felt the person would do a good job. They were flooded with sentiment why the writer was not meant for the character, and the writer was soon replaced. That title is now flourishing under its current writer.

Now if it were up to you, no one would say anything, and this writer would still be screwing up the character.

Why is it "unprofessional" for bob to discuss something dc may accept. He said they "think" their current process works best. I said why i "think" its incorrect, and backed up my argument enough that bob conceded to an extent that they may have been looking at things the wrong way.

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posted February 21, 2003 06:48 PM            

By defending yourself, you're inviting criticism that you just don't deserve. The accusation that you're long-winded is something that everyone on this board has probably been guilty of at one time or another in their lives. It's also simple enough to skip over a post if it's too detailed for someone, whether that be Bob or anyone else. One post is certainly not responsible for chasing anyone off. On a side note, I'd also like to thank you for the time and energy you put into you're thread organizing all of Bob's replies.

posted February 21, 2003 07:44 PM               

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Originally posted by gmp:
To gothcityfan,

By defending yourself, you're inviting criticism that you just don't deserve. The accusation that you're long-winded is something that everyone on this board has probably been guilty of at one time or another in their lives. It's also simple enough to skip over a post if it's too detailed for someone, whether that be Bob or anyone else. One post is certainly not responsible for chasing anyone off. On a side note, I'd also like to thank you for the time and energy you put into you're thread organizing all of Bob's replies.

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I am offended by this Glenn.

Everyone who has ever read my posts will tell you that I am not long-winded.

Mainly because I'm tediously long-winded.

gothcity fan, I've read your posts. Often they so completely cover your opinion on a topic that they merit no further comment. By that I mean, they do not provoke debate because they are either self-evident or merely you opinion.

There is nothing wrong with either.

Some people don't believe they have opinions and couch their own biases in terms of "facts". Sometimes they are other times they are just a comfortable cloud of unknowing gussied up for mass-consumption.

Concision is an admirable quality. Yet it is an elusive one as well. Like you, I strive for it-- yet so seldom achieve it.

But then I try again --to the amazement, annoyance -- and perhaps -- amusement of others.

If you love the comics you read, and love to talk about them, you'll always find friends here.

posted February 21, 2003 07:51 PM               

The reproduction seems pretty good to me.

I think it will naturally take longer, but it can be done.

I truly believe that # 1 volumes of

Uncle Sam
Doll Man
Ray and
Black Condor

have a market. Probably in that order unfortunately.

The sad thing about Doll Man -- one of the strongest cover features of the Golden Age, is that he's almost unknown today.

But, I remember back in 1972 when I had never heard of Captain Marvel. . . .

I learned to love him then and so did a lot of other fans.

The same can be done again if ONLY fans can see them!

posted February 21, 2003 09:21 PM            

Let me add my thanks to those of others on the board for taking time to solicit feedback and answer questions from the audience.

Let me preface my questions with the assurance that I've scoured the thread (and its predecessor) in an attempt to not be repetitive, and while I've seen these questions asked, I could not find answers to them. So:

1) Are there plans to finish collecting Ennis and Mcrea's Hitman? Surely a work of this quality deserves the full treatment...

2) While I've seen your comments that there is some non-Azzarello Hellblazer on the horizon, I couldn't find anything more specific. Any further information you can share on this score?

Thanks again for taking time to pay attention to the boards!

posted February 21, 2003 10:12 PM               

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Originally posted by Bgztl:
You know, the Spirit also features Fine work as well as Eisner's. Blackhawk also featured some similar fine line work in some stories.

The reproduction seems pretty good to me.

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Shhh...I'm trying to sell everybody on a Human Bomb archive here...

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I think it will naturally take longer, but it can be done.

I truly believe that # 1 volumes of

Uncle Sam
Doll Man
Ray and
Black Condor

have a market. Probably in that order unfortunately.

The sad thing about Doll Man -- one of the strongest cover features of the Golden Age, is that he's almost unknown today.

But, I remember back in 1972 when I had never heard of Captain Marvel. . . .

I learned to love him then and so did a lot of other fans.

The same can be done again if ONLY fans can see them!

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I remember reading a Doll Man reprint from back when Detective was reprinting a lot of older stories [also my first encounter with Ibis the Invincible there] and I really enjoyed it, so I think that if people are willing to give it a chance, it could sell. I imagine - oddly enough - the name "Doll Man" would probably end up being the hardest sell.

When I was thinking about other Quality characters that could be archived, I'd forgotten about Uncle Sam, started by Will Eisner. I think by the third issue the art was done by someone else, but I think Fine only worked on a couple of issues [and then with Reed Crandall] so I guess it'd be okay.

posted February 22, 2003 12:11 AM               

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Originally posted by Amentep:
I'd also forgotten Kid Eternity who was originated by Sheldon Moldoff(?) and I don't think ever had an artist like Fine or Raboy working on it. And I've always liked the Kid Eternity stories I've read.

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I didn't think much of the few Kid Eternity reprints I've seen, so I haven't looked at them often, but I'd SWEAR the art was by Mac Raboy.

So, resident experts, who did do the art on the feature?

posted February 22, 2003 12:58 AM            

The second Archive would have lots of Bryant and some Citron.

The third volume would have lots of Raboy and little Bryant, Williams, Bolle, and Grinaldo.

Beginning with the 4th volume, the bulk of the work is by Bryant, but there are still plenty of pinch-hitters. Seven volumes in all.

posted February 22, 2003 02:52 AM               

Raboy is coming sooner than you think.

posted February 22, 2003 06:04 AM               

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Originally posted by Lee Semmens:
I don't see why, if Fawcett and Quality could print Fine and Raboy art in 1940 DC cannot reprint their stuff in 2003.
It seems to me DC are too ready to cop-out on publishing these artists.

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Well, I'm sure the problem is separating the fine black linework out from the color on the printed comic page, since that's all they have to work with.

posted February 22, 2003 07:17 AM               

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Originally posted by James Friel:
Well, I'm sure the problem is separating the fine black linework out from the color on the printed comic page, since that's all they have to work with.

Incidentally, comic books were printed better in those days than they are now--and if you've never seen a Sunday newspaper section from 80 or 90 years ago, you'd be astounded at what they could do then; it's so much more advanced than what they do now that it's hard to believe.

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posted February 22, 2003 08:21 AM               

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Originally posted by Bgztl:
You know, the Spirit also features Fine work as well as Eisner's. Blackhawk also featured some similar fine line work in some stories...The reproduction seems pretty good to me.

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I don't know about Blackhawk, but IIRC, the Spirit Archives are being shot from original plates and in some cases, the original art. DC doesn't have to do whatever-it-is they do in order to get the art ready for printing.

posted February 22, 2003 08:52 AM               

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Originally posted by Old Dude:
I didn't think much of the few Kid Eternity reprints I've seen, so I haven't looked at them often, but I'd SWEAR the art was by Mac Raboy.

So, resident experts, who did do the art on the feature?

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Hmmm, well I learn something new everyday...

I knew Raboy did the cover to several of the Hit Comics featuring Kid Eternity, but I honestly didn't remember seeing his art on the stories I've see of KE. Mind you its been awhile since I looked at the reprints; the most recent Kid story I read was Hit #58, and that wasn't Raboy...GCD lists it as Al Bryant.

Also I wonder if the reason why we might see the occassional Fine or Raboy artwork is because if its just one issue they can take the extra time to overcome the deficiencies in the "process" but that doing this for around 230 pages of artwork might not be cost effective at the moment?

posted February 22, 2003 12:37 PM               

I picked up Nightwing Vol 5: the Hunt for Oracle this week. The story was good but it ended on an incomplete note (Canary being taken away by Blockbuster). Why was this done? I mean, the story is obviously not over. If finding out Canary's fate would've meant that more BoP issues had to be reprinted in this tpb, then I can see your dilemma. But why do this in a Nightwing tpb & not in a BoP one?
Also, why was this crossover reprinted and not the "Brotherhood of the Fist" which also ran thru issues of Nightwing (but wasn't included in any of the tpbs), Batman and Green Arrow?

posted February 24, 2003 11:27 AM               

Aquaman Archives - ordered from Amazon on January 17. My account info continues to show it as "not yet released" with an estimated delivery date of Feb. 13-14.

So. There you have it...

posted February 24, 2003 02:31 PM               

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Originally posted by kingb:
Just to revisit an older topic:

Aquaman Archives - ordered from Amazon on January 17. My account info continues to show it as "not yet released" with an estimated delivery date of Feb. 13-14.

So. There you have it...

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I think it's pretty well established that all vendors who don't use Diamond as their source of supply will be a month "behind". It's probably more correct to consider comic shops a month "ahead", since DC's own catalog for the book trade lists the release dates of archives and trades a month later than the dates one sees in Previews. This is normal; it's nothing to be alarmed or upset by.

posted February 24, 2003 08:42 PM               

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Originally posted by James Friel:
I think it's pretty well established that all vendors who don't use Diamond as their source of supply will be a month "behind". It's probably more correct to consider comic shops a month "ahead", since DC's own catalog for the book trade lists the release dates of archives and trades a month later than the dates one sees in Previews. This is normal; it's nothing to be alarmed or upset by.

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posted February 25, 2003 09:10 PM               

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Originally posted by bluedevil2002:
Hopefully none, as neither issue had anything to do with the Fugitive storyline, and actually contradicted the continuity of the story at that point.

A better question is, why were those two issues even included in the crossover?

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